Hot Yoga Pose Forums > Janushirasana with Paschimottanasana: Separate Leg Stretch

What a pleasure this stretching and surrending pose is! The biggest temptation in the double-leg pull is to round the back and drop forehead to the knee. Resist! This pose will pull lots of inches out of your crunched lower spine if only you look forward and continue pulling forward, once your legs are straight; and until they are, focus forward too! Worth every inch of willpower it takes to get every inch more from your lower spine stretch.

August 12, 2013 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

I imagine my back being straight like a plank... It's very powerful to look forward into the mirror!

August 30, 2013 | Registered CommenterAlexandriaS

That's a lovely image for your back; sometimes we say flat like a skateboard ramp as it it always stretching a bit upward like that ramp... Another beautiful image is to imagine your back is a flat diningroom table and you are pulling pulling pulling until you make enough space to put in a whole new leaf.

August 30, 2013 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

dI've always like the skateboard ramp visual...but as I get comfortable in the position and start looking to go deeper, I'm going to use the table image! Eitherway, it's always gratifying to glance to the side and see my back in a straight line.

September 1, 2013 | Registered CommenterKristinaS

This is a question about seperate leg stretch. Is it bad that my back is rounded? My forehead is touching my knee, but I can see in the back mirror that my back also is curved. Should my back also be straight like in the second part of this pose?

September 1, 2013 | Registered CommenterKristinaS

In the first part of the pose- the separate leg - the back is rounded. When your leg is straight and you are pulling the heel off the mat with your clasped hands, this pose is exactly like Standing Separate Leg Forehead To Knee, without the "standing" - and there, your back is rounded as well.

September 2, 2013 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

Alex, one of these days I will walk your "plank" in yoga class during Separate Leg Stretch - it feels amazing!

September 2, 2013 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

To really pay attention to how straight my back is, I try to feel my upper body touch down on my thighs and shins in incremental steps, starting from right from my hips all the way down. If my body is touching my knees or shins before my upper thighs, then I can tell my back is rounding....

February 1, 2014 | Registered CommenterMelina

Great tip, Melina! Once I'm all the way forward, when I'm pulling on my heels, I imagine lifting my tailbone not just straight up to the ceiling, but over my head and towards the curtains or double mirrors - forward a bit - which feels like it adds inches to my lower spine.

February 2, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

I can keep my spine really straight, but I can't get too far down. If I go further down from the waist, my back does begin to round. Should I continue to keep my spine plank straight and slowly work on pulling down?

February 9, 2014 | Registered CommenterMallory Maier

Yes, Aimee, keep your plank flat not rounded. You may be working on relaxing in the hips to get down further so whenever you feel stuck, take a deep inhale/adjust and then on your long, deep exhale, relax down further. It is a combination of pulling and relaxing that will eventually place your chest flat on your thighs.

February 11, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

I long to have my chest on my thighs with this pose. Rhonda, I took your advice and the long exhale really helped. I'm still quite far away, but I noticed that if I start the pose with my chin and forehead leading and aim to get my forehead on my feet, I go a little further on exhale. I'm still noticing a rounding, though.

April 10, 2014 | Registered CommenterMarguerite

Yes, Marguerite, leading with your chin and chest (your determination and your heart) keeps your back lengthening (the foundation of all your support is your back and it is always expanding). Exhale and let go of the need to "manage it" and feel that strong back (the support that is always right there inside of you). When your leg is straight you can begin to pull with your "net" by bending your elbows and using your arms like levers: dropping elbows to the floor beside your calf muscle and PULL: the leverage pulls you forward and gives even more traction to the lengthening your back. It's all working for you.

April 10, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

In the beginning my face was so far away from the floor! Now, looking down, my eyes are just a few inches from the floor and in the mirror my back was much straighter than I thought! Swan diving into this posture feels so good. It amazes me that I really cant tell how far into a pose I am by how I feel it. Seeing is believing.
I do need to practice more at Riverflow though. There seems to be some differences in the fine points of the poses. Especially this one... head to knee?

April 10, 2014 | Registered CommenterKimA

Head to knee in Dandayamana Biphaktapada Paschimottansasana? No its spot between the eyebrows to the floor...did you mean Dandayamana Biphaktapada Janushirasana?

Seeing is lovely confirmation, Kim - thus, the mirrors! What you see is what you get....especially in your life.

April 13, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

I have always loved this pose! I'm sure the 'ragdoll' part of it had something to do with it. ;) Anyway, I noticed in the book they do not want you to get your forehead to the floor yet I always strive for that and on occasion it's happened! Is that something you would recommend to students (forehead to floor) or discourage by telling them to adjust feet closer?

June 8, 2014 | Registered CommenterHeatherS

I love this pose too! It feels really good. In the book, and in our script as well, the instructions are different than what I have been doing/been taught. The dialog calls for 'lock the leg' first, then work on getting your hands under your feet. The book is saying it the opposite. I cant wait to try it OUR way! Even tho this pose feels good, especially the straight back, I struggle with locking the leg and my hands and elbows are nowhere near being behind my calves. Also, we dont rag doll. Tomorrow I will be rag dolling and bending my knees!

June 9, 2014 | Registered CommenterKimA

Rag dolling in Dandayamana Biphaktapada Paschimottnasana, not separate leg stretch, is a Rhonda addition to the script - you wont hear it anywhere but Riverflow - as its the perfect opportunity to "shake" out tightness and wake up the chi energy in your body as well as being a wonderful moment of surrender after the standing series; go for it but only if your teacher instructs (no additions to the teachers words)

Yes there are some script difference of opinion on this pose - in our script, you wedge those hands under the feet to pull and then straighten the legs - but make sure the elbows are engaged to the shins (not behind the calves) as you pull/lock the legs: the idea is to pull the upper body to the lower body as you STRETCH UP from the LOWER BACK.

Forehead to floor is a bit of an exaggeration. Really it is your EYES on the floor (vs looking behind you or between the legs); a little more subtle. However if you dont instruct "forehead to the floor," everyone rounds the upper back and then we end up with humpbacks... and who needs that? As you progress more in the pose and have that straight spine from coccyx to cervical spine, you will shift your eyes to the floor vs your forehead.

PS - I would not tell students to adjust the feet closer until the forehead has grazed the floor:feet close makes this pose more challenging and you want your students to feel a victory before they raise the bar higher

June 10, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

An aha moment for this one was reading the part that releasing your grip at the same time as raising you body off the floor can cause dizziness, especially for those with low blood pressure. This explains so much and from now on release the hands first, wait a second or two and then raise the body back up to standing.

June 10, 2014 | Unregistered CommenterGabbyL

Your body isnt on the floor in Dandayamana Biphaktapada Paschimottanasana, Gabby - what do you mean here?

June 10, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

When in Paschimottanasana I like to imagine my hips really pushing to the back wall, this allows me to really bend at the hips and flatten against the thighs.

July 21, 2014 | Registered CommenterGabbyL

Interesting, Gabby - never heard of imagining pushing the hips backwards in Paschimottasana; be careful that you're not creating a lower-back swayback. I do notice in your standing savasanas that you have a slight swayback (which is why I always instruct to tuck the hips down and under a bit more...a bit more...a bit more!) but its not too pronounced. After walking the hips back, imagine grinding the sits bones to the mat rather than pushing the hips back and see if that doesnt feel more stable for your forward-bend-pull.

July 22, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

Ok so I posted twice on this thread thinking it was Dandayamana Bipaktapada Paschimottanasana! I was just NOT SEEING the heading above that clearly says Separate Leg Stretch.
This pose is always changing for me. Depending on the time of day, the tightness in my hammies or hips, I can sometimes get the backs of my knees down. On a flexible day this pose feels better. I was in a Mary Jarvis workshop and her instruction right after we turn toward our outstretched leg was: tuck the chin before you bend forward. This helped me and I'd like your input on it. I also noted that this cue is in the Master Pose Book.
In the second part, the cue that is repeated, to keep looking at your eyes in the mirror was huge for me. I was looking down and forgetting that my body will go where my eyes go. Now I can truly work on keeping my back straight, although the right hammies need a ??? release? vacation? (lol)

July 27, 2014 | Registered CommenterKimA

Yes Kim, tucking the chin before you bend will aim your forehead to knee and, as you said, your pose always goes where your eyes lead. As for those hammies, I had my release moment when I did something seemingly unrelated to the hamstrings: I leveled my shouuders (one is always higher) and squared my chest over my thigh. Something released for me in the hammies by virtue of feeling like I just gained more length in my lower back. Try it!

July 27, 2014 | Registered CommenterRhonda Uretzky, E-RYT

I have always liked this pose. I remember the days back in the barn of Riverflow of Rhonda telling me to imagine my breast bone being pulled through the mirror and that always helped me to focus on a flat back.

August 1, 2014 | Registered CommenterHeatherS